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Wi-Fi and Security on an Open Network

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So you may have often wondered if you are secure when doing you’re banking on-line when connected to a Wi-Fi hotspot like at and RV park or campground. I seem to have had this question a lot during our time traveling when someone finds out I am a “techie”. Well, let me try to put your fears to rest.

In a word…YES. You are secure when you are using a banks website even if you are using an open Wi-Fi network like many campgrounds offer.

 

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The reason… Something called a secure socket layer. (SSL) Go to your bank online… Look up at the browser bar where the URL (website) is shown. Do you see the HTTPS:// ? At the end of the HTTP that S stands for SECURE. (You may also see a little padlock icon or something depending on the browser you may use.) This is telling you that your connection, from your computer to the bank’s server and back to you, is all secured using encryption.

In fact any site you may use, such as G-mail or even Facebook, you see with HTTPS is secure. What that means is that the information sent and received is protected by a “key” that your browser and their server setup between each other before anything else is sent between them.

So yes, you are secure when using your bank or other services even on an open Wi-Fi network as long as the site is HTTP’S’. I bring this up for people sometimes mistakenly think that Wi-Fi security is the protection. This is not the case. Wi-Fi security is only to protect the Wi-Fi connection between the computer and the access point or router. If a password is used to get on the park Wi-Fi, that password is only used to be able to connect to the Wi-Fi network, like a key giving you access through a door. It also does encrypt the data in the air, but ONLY between you and the access point you are connecting to. After that, and surely not on the Internet, it is not encrypted. However that is where HTTPS talked about above comes into play. HTTPS is fully encrypted from your computer on out and back. So, you are secure.

With that said, being on an open Wi-Fi network does come with a small risk of someone using a wireless “sniffer” to try to gather all the data packets you are sending to read no matter whatever it is you may being transmitting. But even with that, any time you are on an HTTPS website, even that “sniffed” data cannot be read.

Now all bets are off if you have gotten yourself a virus, malware, or spyware somehow on your computer, then not even HTTPS can help if someone is tracking your keystrokes. So please be sure your use computer is protected using some sort of anti male-ware or spyware program.

Care for someone else’s word on it? See this video provided by Google about HTTPS:

For how to have better Wi-Fi and Internet in your RV, see RV internet and RV Dedicated Wi-Fi

10 thoughts on “Wi-Fi and Security on an Open Network

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  2. Chris Dunphy

    Hi David –

    It is true that https traffic is encrypted and is extremely unlikely to be listened in on… But – a sniffer on the network can see what sites you are going to, and it can see everything you do on unencrypted sites.

    One often overlooked weakness is that a lot of people use the same login ID and password for all the sites they visit. So a hacker sniffing a network will log the passwords used on regular insecure forums, and also log the secure sites visited – and then will try the passwords from the insecure sites to break into the secure sites.

    The most important rule of internet security is to never ever use the same password on multiple sites. This is even more important than relying on https.

    Thanks for sharing some good tips…

    – Chris

    1. David Post author

      Hi Chris…

      Yes, you are correct on UNENCRYPTED sites (http sites). But the topic was HTTPS and how any site that uses HTTPS are fine to use on when connected to an open WiFi network. The #1 thing I hear is “I use my MiFi to do my banking as the parks WiFi in not secure.” It is then I try to explain https and thought it was time to do it here for other RV’ers.

      But yes, totally agree on password protection. To keep take of the passwords we use, we do not even use the browser to do it…we use 1Password to lock it down on our machine but with a password used at the machine, you have access to all your passwords. https://agilebits.com/onepassword So no need to remember all your different passwords all the time, just one, at the machine. :)

      Take care keep safe and hope to run into you all on the road someday. (Well, not “run into”.) ;)

      1. Chris Dunphy

        The warning I was trying to give was regarding using the same password on HTTP sites as on an HTTPS site. Hacking tools can’t listen in on HTTPS, but HTTPS does not hide what sites you visit from a sniffer. So the sniffer will log that you visited SecureBank, and that you then logged into an insecure forum with a given UserID/Password.

        The hacker just needs to combine these two bits of data, and if you use the same password in both places you have essentially just given away your bank password – despite using HTTPS.

        I am also 1Password fan – it and tools like it are essential for avoiding getting bitten by password reuse attacks, which are very common.

        Cheers,

        – Chris

  3. Linda Garman

    See…you can teach old dogs new tricks…and I am a proud card-carrying member of AARP!!! (Proof that I am actually old!). I will need all the valuable information that you give out for when I win a mega lotto and actually can get a coach for us an our pack…it will be a Tiffin of course! Meanwhile, I will just keep traveling vicariously with you and Brenda and your kitties!
    Love and hugs….

    1. David Post author

      Outstanding Roland! And yes, it surely is a Ubnt Bullet, but with custom firmware replacing the AirOS the Bullet would come with from Ubnt. But like I said, outstanding job on getting it into the air! Congrats!

    1. David Post author

      Thanks Bob for the reminder that things can surely happen. But the link you provided, now removed, had nothing to do with https. Https was not even mentioned in the “How to hack” link. It even read… “In this “Hack Like a Pro” tutorial, I’ll show you a very simple way to conduct a MitM attack and capture unencrypted traffic“.

      It was a way to get in between the user and a server with a tool like WireShark. Which surely can and is done. But that would not allow for the https encryption to be broken if it is already established. So in that case, they could see the traffic, but not be able to read it. (As was mentioned in the video.)

      I personally still have no issue using an open Wi-Fi on an HTTPS site. But surely agree with Chris to be sure to use different passwords as much as you can as I would consider a password data grab a greater risk. But you are surely right to say that things are never bullet proof. Thanks!

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